I heard this interview / pod cast on a local college radio show last weekend and I've been waiting for a response to my request for an uploaded version I could listen to at home. I just saw the e-mail when I got home and I'm already queuing it up. It'll take a little bit to get going but I hope you can take the time to give it a listen and decide for yourself it was informative or thoughtful. You may not agree with either of them on all points but they take the time to make their points in full which is deeply appreciated in this era of rapid fire antagonistic interview styles from most television and radio programs.
https://teamhuman.fm/episodes/ep-73-eleanor-saitta-is-it-safe/
Playing for Team Human today, security expert Eleanor Saitta. Eleanor shares her deep knowledge on building secure and robust digital ecosystems. As Eleanor and Douglas converse on issues of privacy, encryption, and surveillance, a set of thought-provoking insights about online identity and human to human connection emerges. Does empathy scale across our cyber connections? Or is it confusion and distrust that are most apt to scale?
Conversing over a shaky and intermittent VoIP connection, the question at hand seems to materialize within the interview. Luckily Saitta and Rushkoff overcome technical hurdles and find rapport and connection in a unique conversation that ultimately asks; What is real? How do I know I am me? Is it safe?