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I got tired of preaching to the converted.

Now I'm tired of preaching to the heathen.
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L'invitation au voyage

Mon enfant, ma soeur,
Songe la douceur
D'aller l-bas vivre ensemble !
Aimer loisir,
Aimer et mourir
Au pays qui te ressemble !
Les soleils mouills
De ces ciels brouills
Pour mon esprit ont les charmes
Si mystrieux
De tes tratres yeux,
Brillant travers leurs larmes.

L, tout n'est qu'ordre et beaut,
Luxe, calme et volupt.

Des meubles luisants,
Polis par les...
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flux:
since i've read it, though, you could remove the Russian altogether.
flux:
masochist.
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Today, people learn what science they know on the basis of authority, not a quest for proof. Therefore, they are incredulous about the science, and credulous about all manner of nonsense.
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daevric:
I could go on for hours about what is being taught in schools vs. what should be taught in schools. But certainly, people are NOT being taught to think logically at ALL, unless their parents are teaching it to them. The parents teaching it to their kids early on is obviously the best situation, but we shouldn't rely on everyone to be a good parent--and even if we could, reinforcement of the thought process would be beneficial.

I'm aware that everyone thinks and learns differently--but simply being able to take two facts A and B and be able to logically deduce C is something that most people simply don't know how to do. And it's not because they're not capable of it, it's because they've just been drilled to memorize facts from day one, not be able to figure things out for themselves.

I usually go straight from this into my "Tradition is the root of all evil" rant, but this is enough for one comment--I'm sure you have better things to do. wink

[Edited because no matter how many times I tell them, my fingers simply can't figure out the difference between "they're" and "their".]

[Edited on Dec 02, 2003 6:59PM]
adjunct:
So, to finally reply to your point about neurolgx., it's not so much that language is or isn't scientific, it's that the people who do the hard science end of it and the people who do the sociological end of it aren't interested in the same questions. They may not even know how to ask those questions- I can't imagine finding a sociolgx. theory about aprosodia or pathalogical language processing, and I doubt neurolgx. can explain my changing use of registers throughout a single interaction. However, in the terms Flux was using, she seemed to be getting at a very Chomskyan view of language as a sort of mathematics of communication, a view which has largely been disproven or at least heavily amended in both socio- and neurolgx.

Apropos your position on science, I'm with Minty- the idea of scientific inquiry is a major facet of contemporary culture in a way that hasn't been present in Western society for at least a couple of generations. If that leads to making some new questions that challenge current authorities, we'll be okay. I'm not too worried either way.
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'Does Big Brother exist?'

'Of course he exists. The Party exists. Big Brother is the embodiment of the Party.'

'Does he exist in the same way as I exist?'

'You do not exist,' said O'Brien.
theinsomniac:
"I refute it thus." Bad ass. smile
tygertyger:
1984, nice.

OK, now I understand; that explanation helped a lot. Thanks.
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Real knowledge is the ability to predict the future with better than random accuracy.
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jolanda:
I couldn't help but notice, do you also read russian? Not that I know, but I used to go to lots of "russian" parties back home (think vodka and jazz). Those were the days (also originally a russian folk song)....
flux:
i need to speak War and Peace?

[Edited on Nov 25, 2003 6:23PM]
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My fantasy of immortality may just be a veiled desire to extend my procrastination to infinity.

(And beyond, eh Buzz?)
al:
No, I got it, honey. It reminded me of this poem from... the norton anthology, one of the first written in modern english. If I'd never read it, I never would have gotten it.

smile
jolanda:
You're right, the boards are great. And so's my cheese sandwhich (washed down with whiskey'd coffee) aaah, it's good to be home.
Jolanda
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Mind = Brain Time

(Monism is true, but subtler even than wily dualism)

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al:
So... how does Lattimore say it? You never tell me.

The guy in the recordings sounds funny. I've never heard the first line of the iliad read with such little vigor.
mistergraves:
i think it's a strong possibility that we're in the same universe. i'm not sure we even really think so differently. we have the same fantasy at least.. altho your first is my second.
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Damn, I'm re-addicted to this site!
(But, perhaps fortunately for all, not to my journal).
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mobprod:
Hahahaha! Lovely dissection my friend. But how did Fluxy end up in the middle of this?
mobprod:
A) An important notion not to ignore. As for evidence, well all I can say is that you should move to a locale where some of the girls reside and become friends with them! A few of them are dearly good friends of mine now, although unrequited love is still very much part of the fun around here.

B) Amen. She's a remarkable, wonderful person to boot!
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Wow, what a change in SG! How do you like it? Some of the spelling in my old comments got changed, and I had to upgrade my browser, but all-in-all, I think I like it. Anyway, I guess in a few days, we'll all be so used to it, we'll forget it was ever any different.
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treehugger:
yeah, what she said! smile
bombshellbetty:
What gave you the impression that I'm here to humour your ego? I pick my teeth with twirps like you. Hehehehe.

wink
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Damn, I'm addicted to this site! Where did the morning go? Must introduce balance into life. Must introduce balance into life. Must introduce balance into life. Must . . . z z z
jolanda:
Sundays are great. Its 2pm, the parents are gone and I'm still in pajamas eating junk food and listening to Nick Cave. God, I can't wait to move out. I'm looking at a place tonight in Maarssen (village just outside Utrecht) and I REALLY hope it works out. My dad's girlfriend is psycho. She can't handle sharing my dad.

Hey, didn't mean to make you feel guilty about your job! It sounds like a great project (thanks for the links). I think Holland is conscientious about mixing people, environment, work and industry so that people can live a more "harmonious" existence. ie: Holland is into planning, not like Canada where stuff goes up where ever. But it's still a rat race here.
Smoked eel is delicious.
bombshellbetty:
Hi, my name is Betty, and I'm an SGaholic. Welcome to the club, man!

I actually like getting comments when I walk down the street as long as they're flirtatious and not critical. I don't mind guys trying to talk with me, but telling me to wear tighter pants is just rude, you know? Anyway, nice to meet you, and welcome to the SG party! biggrin
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Hi all! Thanks SilenceNoir for the welcome, and thanks for the call backs tree and gothicgracie.

Tree, about that hair; itd be mine alright but what a pain! I brought the stylist a picture something like Hel in her set The Tracks, and about a kilo of manic panic products later, voila. It looked better on the backside pic, and its already falling apart, but...
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treehugger:
well, yes i do skate (rollerblade that is) but i suck at skating vert...
i will be rolling around in the vert though, couse i have to judge (well all the riders judge each other, so i have to ride to have enough judges)

but the event is pretty big (they even have ads on mtv)
and all the top vert rollers from all over the world are going to be there...
treehugger:
no, i was cofused, i thought the donnas were this saturday...
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Hello to all Netherlanders and fellow expats. I'm a recent arrival in Amsterdam from London, hoping to make some friends, check things out and have some fun.
silencenoir:
Hey there, welcome to SG!
treehugger:
i get so much spam, you're lucky i found your mail...
its easier to just reply to my journal, i read that regularly...

welcome to the site, and welcome to holland!
and by the way, is that your real hair?

if it is, thats balsy!