Andrea Dworkin died.
I didn't know who that was either.
The Sg news thing had a dohicky on it, and her...
I learned more today about porn and sex as a concept than I have in the year or so I've been on the site.
The basic concept of what this woman stood for, as quoted by Oliva during the discussion
"Penetrative intercourse is, by its nature, violent. But I'm not saying that sex must be rape. What I think is that sex must not put women in a subordinate position. It must be reciprocal and not an act of aggression from a man looking only to satisfy himself. That's my point."
- Andrea Dworkin
(essentially: Ok, so according to her, and this quote, if you're going to engage in sexual activity, it's to be a reciprocal, balanced enjoyment, not a forced submission to a selfgratifying physcal act.) [well yea. I don't want sex any other way... do you?]
Of course there was the smattering of uneducated buffoons as there always is in any sg discussion, but the crowning statement of it all (from the first three pages) was from
amaz0nmatchu with this,
"Andrea Dworkin is one of the reasons why women (and men) who are raped, assaulted, sexually harrassed or otherwise the victim of a sex crime have any kind of recourse in the judiciary system. She and her contemporaries are responsible for the laws that make workplaces safer, less hostile and more equal for women.
She was also one of the first feminists to address the fact that BOTH genders are hurt by a system that teaches men to be emotionless machines of aggression and women to be helpless victims without political power. Largely misunderstood by both her feminist contemporaries and by feminism's opponents, Dworkin's work became a primary source for both men and women's reclaiming movements.
There are a lot of very hateful myths about this woman, for various reasons. One of those reasons is that Dworkin chose to address the problems of the real world and the people living in it, instead of some theoretical fantasy land where most academic philosophers dwell.
Sadly, she will probably be remembered as a man-hating, anti-sex feminazi who opposed any and all kinds of sexual expression and pornography. While of course none of this was true, it is not suprising. In a day and age when biting the hand that sacrifices its life to feed you is not only acceptable but trendy, doubtless her real words and the truth of her life will be lost. But her legacy will live on.
Go in peace, and finally rest."
I second that motion...
On the lighter side of things,I found this on the boards...
Tjaden said:
And then there's this monster:
My step-mother and father were reading in their bedroom at their beach house, which is right next to the living room (which is where I was, writing a letter). I hear this loud fart, soon followed by this exchange:
Dad: *step-mother's name*
Step-mother: "What?"
Dad: ...
Dad: "What do you mean, 'What?'"
Step-mother: ...
Dad: ...
Step-mother: "The cat did it."
Dad: ...
Step-mother: "I had to... plus it felt good."
Dad: *sigh*
Step-mother: "What?"
Dad: "The next time you, or the cat, have to fart, no matter how good you think it's going to feel... just make sure your butt isn't on my leg when you, or the cat, do it."
I didn't know who that was either.
The Sg news thing had a dohicky on it, and her...
I learned more today about porn and sex as a concept than I have in the year or so I've been on the site.
The basic concept of what this woman stood for, as quoted by Oliva during the discussion
"Penetrative intercourse is, by its nature, violent. But I'm not saying that sex must be rape. What I think is that sex must not put women in a subordinate position. It must be reciprocal and not an act of aggression from a man looking only to satisfy himself. That's my point."
- Andrea Dworkin
(essentially: Ok, so according to her, and this quote, if you're going to engage in sexual activity, it's to be a reciprocal, balanced enjoyment, not a forced submission to a selfgratifying physcal act.) [well yea. I don't want sex any other way... do you?]
Of course there was the smattering of uneducated buffoons as there always is in any sg discussion, but the crowning statement of it all (from the first three pages) was from
amaz0nmatchu with this,
"Andrea Dworkin is one of the reasons why women (and men) who are raped, assaulted, sexually harrassed or otherwise the victim of a sex crime have any kind of recourse in the judiciary system. She and her contemporaries are responsible for the laws that make workplaces safer, less hostile and more equal for women.
She was also one of the first feminists to address the fact that BOTH genders are hurt by a system that teaches men to be emotionless machines of aggression and women to be helpless victims without political power. Largely misunderstood by both her feminist contemporaries and by feminism's opponents, Dworkin's work became a primary source for both men and women's reclaiming movements.
There are a lot of very hateful myths about this woman, for various reasons. One of those reasons is that Dworkin chose to address the problems of the real world and the people living in it, instead of some theoretical fantasy land where most academic philosophers dwell.
Sadly, she will probably be remembered as a man-hating, anti-sex feminazi who opposed any and all kinds of sexual expression and pornography. While of course none of this was true, it is not suprising. In a day and age when biting the hand that sacrifices its life to feed you is not only acceptable but trendy, doubtless her real words and the truth of her life will be lost. But her legacy will live on.
Go in peace, and finally rest."
I second that motion...
On the lighter side of things,I found this on the boards...
Tjaden said:
And then there's this monster:
My step-mother and father were reading in their bedroom at their beach house, which is right next to the living room (which is where I was, writing a letter). I hear this loud fart, soon followed by this exchange:
Dad: *step-mother's name*
Step-mother: "What?"
Dad: ...
Dad: "What do you mean, 'What?'"
Step-mother: ...
Dad: ...
Step-mother: "The cat did it."
Dad: ...
Step-mother: "I had to... plus it felt good."
Dad: *sigh*
Step-mother: "What?"
Dad: "The next time you, or the cat, have to fart, no matter how good you think it's going to feel... just make sure your butt isn't on my leg when you, or the cat, do it."