turin

hmmmm....well there is the i-ching defintion.
there is the japanese zen buddishm defintion,and then there is the ..............

I like an intellectual debate as much as the next guy but I think a lot of times people just end up trying to prove that one or the other one is a complete mental midget on these boards. Too many posts are just lists of what other people said followed by things like "Graduate the second grade and then reread my post" and ending with some bitter, sarcastic remark about how the poster is just a retard in general.