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tigerwong

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Monday Mar 02, 2009

Mar 2, 2009
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Someone answer this for me...

I follow politics as you all know, but i really have to wonder what conservatives expect to gain in this country *in their current formation.* Now, maybe i've been seeing slanted reporting, but even footage from CPAC is showing me that the conservative movement in the republican party doesn't bother with facts, only fear.

I've heard Obama referred to as a socialist like 9000 times in the past week. I can understand the problem people have with government controlling everything, but certainly the idea of government staying out of everything isn't the answer either. I'd like to think that a balance can be achieved.

I'm thinking... what should be a given in any society, that government would ultimately be in control of? Lessee... life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, right? So, life would entail health care and safety, liberty would be safety also, i guess. Pursuit of happiness would i guess have to do with education and its availability, because without that, we can't get a good job and without a well paying job we'd be pretty miserable.

So, health care reform, education reform (cuz NCLB is a joke, imho), and law enforcement. Doesn't seem like a big deal. I guess the problem would be how far reaching these things would be. The fear, i suppose, like maybe with education would be that government would be telling us WHAT specifically to learn, as opposed to setting education level standards so that we can compete.

I guess i don't understand why everything is built up to be the end of the fucking world. Also, i don't get why conservatives think that after the last decade or so, we should trust anything they say without some REALLY solid, fact checked, verified documentation.
minimalism:
Can there be a balance between a government takeover of a private industry and then turning it back into a solvent and successful corporation? You bet your ass it can happen. This is what the conservatives don't want to think is possible. What's being done now is no different then the creation of Conrail. And in due time Conrail paid back all of it's debt to the government and went back to the private sector. Just as is the plan for the banks that are getting bailed out. Will it be as successful, that remains to be seen, but I certainly hope so. It might finally put a stake in the heart of the idea that trickle down economics work. They don't and never have.
Mar 2, 2009
poeticdesires:
most of the republicans currently in the House are from districts where it is near impossible for a democrat to win. playing to the base got them elected and no matter what they do, as long as it isn't left leaning, they are fine with their electorate. so representatives in the House can say want they and do (well not do) whatever they want because their base is solid and not going anywhere. for the republicans in the Senate, the three that broke and voted for the Stim are from left leaning states. they needed to show they were "Independent" or a democrat would replace them soon. overall, republicans have the current problem that they have no real leader. palin is a joke. the minority whip is an idiot. the minority leader keeps repeating the same thing over and over. to me, he's forgetable. the closet thing they have to a leader is rush limbaugh, who is just insane.
in the republicans' minds, opposing the Stim is easy. if the economy turns around, they can say the Stim didn't do; it was the free market. if the Stim doesn't work, they will say "see, i didn't vote to spend all this money for nothing and put us in more debt." it is too easy for them to do nothing.
the thing i hate the most is when they say, "i like the president, but..." after every but, they go on to bash something he is trying to do (the Stim, health care, the environment, etc.) to me, they are pit bulls and the democrats are pussies. the republicans steer the conversation and the democrats get tangled up in small issues having little to do with the overall agenda. i think the president is doing well, pushing for what he wants to get passed now and not waiting until too close to midterms. he is a much better leader than we've had in a while.
i think the real trouble is going to be when the hearings start concerning the last presidency. there is the real likelihood that people are going to jail over what they did in the past eight years. republicans are trying to paint this as partisan revenge. the democrats have to find a way to convince the american people that these proceedings a necessary, because they ARE. the previous president and his staff broke the law over and over again. they can't be allowed to get away with it. it sets too bad of a example for future leaders. the thought of another bush chills me to the bone.
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