Surrogates
I didn't want to see this movie for several reasons. Actually I only wanted to see it for Radha Mitchell, would have been a bust for that reason alone.
Frankly it sucked. I doesn't see to have a great budget, story, or conviction in any way to BE good.
It's much the same reaction I have toward Minority Report. While I love that movie and count it amoung my favorites.. why does it always have to be anti science.. the OH God we've survived technology with our humanity intact?
Pure BS. Besides the part where surrogacy that does nothing to actually change the way people live their lives, is pointless. It isn't even protrayed as a life extension therapy.
But.. I mean crappy movie with very little to redeem itself aside, there is still the concept of surrogacy itself.
How many people actually live in that way already? Japan has a clinical diagnosis and treatment for it.
I mean watching this film and comparing it to our daily lives, it occurred to me that the internet is the new united states.. and the united states wants it's bombers jacket back.
How can you implode the freedom of the internet, and it's avatars, and the safety of living vicariously through them, into a daily life where you can actually BE somebody in real world terms.
No I want to speak to the REAL you.. you are, my surrogate is the real me. My meat bag is a vestigial growth that is so remote from who I am now, blah blah blah..
Then having to compound that with meat bags being resentful of surrogate augmented humanity?
Why?
And I have to ask.. IF you're going to replace people with surrogates.... what should they be?
Cyborg?
Android?
Bioroid?
A combination thereof.
It's hinted at that rift having been big enoough to start a civil war, except magically everyone is able to afford to buy or lease a surrogate.
Technically speaking running all kinds of macros in a surrogate,
Thinking of that as being the opposite of the subconscious mind, you have a hypermind which is fully aware of the world around you, the real one, and virtual one, and it comforms you behavior and responses to the world, in realtime,
Such macros would enable just about anyone to actually live a constructive life in society.
SO granted surrogacy, or rather just the aspect of removing the meat bag from the equation and running hard coded social macros with a vestigial personality riding shotgun, I can see many people affording surrogates..
But not on the order of billions. While it isn't specifically mentioned in the movie, it's likely an economic collapse would occur given nearly the entire services industry would implode. That's jobs. That's a great deal of jobs.
The economics would never balance out in the time frame the movie suggests.
And then where would you stop if you could augment your body (or surrogate?).
Doubtless a metal skeleton and augmented muscles wouldn't fly well in some circumstances.. can they swim?
No.
And power is another issue. What powers 2-3 billion surrogates? AND their near vegetative operators?
In the movie, people practically resent their meat bags.. which if you stop and think about it.. how long would it take before you really started to hate your old meat bag self?
A few characters stand in idle comtemplation over their meat bags from the perspective of their surrogate bodies. Multiple Personality Disorder comes from such detachment.
No.
I'm glad the movie didn't really click because meat bags are out. if anything only the brain needs to be preserved and in a MUCH less volatile place.
The concept is that once you can afford it, a company could just harvest your brain and put it in a little container in a bunker and let you remote control a body.
Again though, and thanks to the reimagined Battlestar Galactica, that body doesn't need to be a robot.
The concept of physical invulnerability by remote controlling a body is cheapest if that body is as near to self replicating humans as possible.
Like, had they stated that human bodies (direct to adult bodies) are vat grown and cloned etc, and implanted with remote hosting devices in their brains, that has to be cheaper than building asimo bodies for everyone.
Down the generations genetically modifying those bodies with physical augmentations, like harder bones, more powerful muscles, etc, would accomplish the same thing as using very expensive robot bodies.
Both can be recycled, one chemically, the other mechinally and chemically.
Then if society is filled with post human drone bodies running on autopilot most of the time (while working).... why not have several 24/7 drones earning you money?
You could have a few main drones you run for having fun.. the children. While the other toil and make the world better for everyone?
It just overcomes one of the biggest flaws of surrogates. How can society move on without natural births because people just don't bother procreating?
If everyone is non-biological and their meat bags aren't otherwise immortal.. they will everntually die with no one to replace them. At least with surrogates that are biological in nature, they can become pregnant.
Is such a thing a difficult concept?
It is when there is no value in a surrogate's existence. Though it isn't a real person, if it was biological and got pregnant, then it should become more than an issue of property.
I didn't want to see this movie for several reasons. Actually I only wanted to see it for Radha Mitchell, would have been a bust for that reason alone.
Frankly it sucked. I doesn't see to have a great budget, story, or conviction in any way to BE good.
It's much the same reaction I have toward Minority Report. While I love that movie and count it amoung my favorites.. why does it always have to be anti science.. the OH God we've survived technology with our humanity intact?
Pure BS. Besides the part where surrogacy that does nothing to actually change the way people live their lives, is pointless. It isn't even protrayed as a life extension therapy.
But.. I mean crappy movie with very little to redeem itself aside, there is still the concept of surrogacy itself.
How many people actually live in that way already? Japan has a clinical diagnosis and treatment for it.
I mean watching this film and comparing it to our daily lives, it occurred to me that the internet is the new united states.. and the united states wants it's bombers jacket back.
How can you implode the freedom of the internet, and it's avatars, and the safety of living vicariously through them, into a daily life where you can actually BE somebody in real world terms.
No I want to speak to the REAL you.. you are, my surrogate is the real me. My meat bag is a vestigial growth that is so remote from who I am now, blah blah blah..
Then having to compound that with meat bags being resentful of surrogate augmented humanity?
Why?
And I have to ask.. IF you're going to replace people with surrogates.... what should they be?
Cyborg?
Android?
Bioroid?
A combination thereof.
It's hinted at that rift having been big enoough to start a civil war, except magically everyone is able to afford to buy or lease a surrogate.
Technically speaking running all kinds of macros in a surrogate,
Thinking of that as being the opposite of the subconscious mind, you have a hypermind which is fully aware of the world around you, the real one, and virtual one, and it comforms you behavior and responses to the world, in realtime,
Such macros would enable just about anyone to actually live a constructive life in society.
SO granted surrogacy, or rather just the aspect of removing the meat bag from the equation and running hard coded social macros with a vestigial personality riding shotgun, I can see many people affording surrogates..
But not on the order of billions. While it isn't specifically mentioned in the movie, it's likely an economic collapse would occur given nearly the entire services industry would implode. That's jobs. That's a great deal of jobs.
The economics would never balance out in the time frame the movie suggests.
And then where would you stop if you could augment your body (or surrogate?).
Doubtless a metal skeleton and augmented muscles wouldn't fly well in some circumstances.. can they swim?
No.
And power is another issue. What powers 2-3 billion surrogates? AND their near vegetative operators?
In the movie, people practically resent their meat bags.. which if you stop and think about it.. how long would it take before you really started to hate your old meat bag self?
A few characters stand in idle comtemplation over their meat bags from the perspective of their surrogate bodies. Multiple Personality Disorder comes from such detachment.
No.
I'm glad the movie didn't really click because meat bags are out. if anything only the brain needs to be preserved and in a MUCH less volatile place.
The concept is that once you can afford it, a company could just harvest your brain and put it in a little container in a bunker and let you remote control a body.
Again though, and thanks to the reimagined Battlestar Galactica, that body doesn't need to be a robot.
The concept of physical invulnerability by remote controlling a body is cheapest if that body is as near to self replicating humans as possible.
Like, had they stated that human bodies (direct to adult bodies) are vat grown and cloned etc, and implanted with remote hosting devices in their brains, that has to be cheaper than building asimo bodies for everyone.
Down the generations genetically modifying those bodies with physical augmentations, like harder bones, more powerful muscles, etc, would accomplish the same thing as using very expensive robot bodies.
Both can be recycled, one chemically, the other mechinally and chemically.
Then if society is filled with post human drone bodies running on autopilot most of the time (while working).... why not have several 24/7 drones earning you money?
You could have a few main drones you run for having fun.. the children. While the other toil and make the world better for everyone?
It just overcomes one of the biggest flaws of surrogates. How can society move on without natural births because people just don't bother procreating?
If everyone is non-biological and their meat bags aren't otherwise immortal.. they will everntually die with no one to replace them. At least with surrogates that are biological in nature, they can become pregnant.
Is such a thing a difficult concept?
It is when there is no value in a surrogate's existence. Though it isn't a real person, if it was biological and got pregnant, then it should become more than an issue of property.
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