kudra

Kudra,

I responded with one line after you explicity stated that you were not reading my entire posts to you and asked me to restate my previous post that still exists in your journal.

I had responded to the swastika issue, the class issue, as well as the overall race issue.

Those were the things that I thought were interesting, much more so that a debate over whether or not it can be infered that your friend is racist. Obviously, I think it can be and that this is not a place to qualify people by their ethnicity using terms such as "negress" which I'm sure the vast majority of the outside world would consider a term not so techinical.

I'm also confident that if you look back at the journal in question and peruse the responses left prior to mine, you'll see that I did not come up with the word "enlightened" on my own and that it was in refernce to various posts based on self and power. My comment, also, was only vaguely in refernce to Lux but more so a general comment to misanthropy, which I am warry of for obvious reasons.

Personally, I think misanthropy is a waste of time. It takes away the burden the catalysts change, or at least the force behind my energy and desire to work and live. In which case, I don't understand misanthropy, but that is all besides the point. I just don't have much desire to be a fatalist.

kudra,

would you then say it's entirely possible to imply things without coming right out in a linear speech pattern and saying them?

Eris: In my last post to you, I thought I explicitly pointed out that my issue isnt with Lux as "Nazi." If you can find where I called Lux a Nazi, please tell me. That wasnt me. My concern has been purely with language. The word negress while a techincal term for yall apparently, is not for others. Just like the term jewess would make folks screw up their faces, both jewess and negress have negative racial conotations.

So, regardless of how I feel about Nazis, we can let that rest as I never accussed anyone of being a Nazi.

>>How much 'proof' will ever be enough??

Eris: I dont need proof. No one needs to prove anything to me. Again, I think that certain things, like racist speech, should be left off a website that wants to be inclusive to people of color. This is a website where personality is what you put out. Every member of this site could list an endless stream of anecdotes from their lives to show that they are someone different than who they put forward on the site. Its part of the draw. I dont intend to know everyone biblically because they keep a weblog.

>>How stupid is that?

Eris: Her initial response was, Its unfortunate that you can not accept my personal sense of aesthetic. Thats what I based my comment on in FloggingChuckys, it struck me as an interesting reponse.

>>You know what, I am FIERCELY protective of my friends. And I hate when people can't admit they are wrong. Until you and Chucky face apologize to her and admit she isn't a stupid ass nazi, I can't picture us ever sitting down together. Not to get involved in the shit between you and her, but I imagine you are mad she said she doesn't like women who look like birds. But what do you expect when you go in someone's journal and put words in their mouth! She never said she was enlightened, and you went in there and said that because you had decided she was a nazi. That is really uncool. .

Eris: Why would I appologize for something I never said? Isnt that the crux of the argument here? Chucky has bowed out of this on his accord. He feels that said what he needed to, and now he is done.

And do you really think it bothers me that someone doesnt find me as attractive as I do? Thats why we make a gazillion flavors of icecream, right? It's fine to have different tastes. I think suicidegirls is a testimant to that.

I also am not the one that brought up being englightend to begin with. (Other than obvious illaminatus trilogy references but still, that would be illuminated and not enlightened, eh?) It was something I noticed while pursuing her journal. That comment, futhermore, could have been taken in several different ways. I addressed it to no one. I did not say, Lux, the Nazi, thinks she enlightened. I also did not say, These jerks arguing with Lux claim to be enlightened and that makes me warry. However, an obvious assumption was made, eh? That's what happens when we make ambigious comments, they are often interpreted.

>>I am extremely offended by your post to me. This whole load of shit has been bothering me to no end. Lux and I are both stand up girls. Were she a nazi, and I a friend of nazi, can you really picture either of us not yelling it out proudly? You may as well call both of us liars. It is insulting to no end No matter how many facts we throw up, still no has even said, "okay, maybe I'm wrong." You just want to keep going on with your witch hunt. Jesus christ. She's been studying Judaism for years now! She constantly quotes me Jewish mystycism. She used to be in love with my mexican friend. She bought medicine for my sick kitten. She has friends of every race.

Eris: As for the idea of the whichhunt, I would like to reiterate that I never said anyone was a Nazi. I even attempted to reaffirm my issue with my last post to you that was:

Whichever, I dont really care if anyone on the site is a Nazi, if that person has 10 children of mixed ethnicity, or if that person campaigns for Reparations in free time left over from volunteering at the Jewish Youth Center. I do care that word negress is offensive, that the phrase smelly Mexican is offensive, etc. On a website that is increasingly trying to be welcoming to people of color, I would hope we could leave these nomenclatures off the site.

What I meant by my first line in that paragraph was that regardless of how someone indentifies, I would still be offended by the term negress.

The orginal discorse began over reperations. It moved to racism, which is understandable. I have no interest in arguing about whether or not anyone is a Nazi. I never have had that interest, as Im sure youll see if you take another look.

I feel as though I said a lot in my last post to you. Im curious what you thought about those things?

eek! i just dropped by for a visit, so i'll stay out of the above conversation, but just for the record (ok, so i'm not staying out) i agree with your journal.

i spy i bit of the faerie folk in you my dear!

oooo...and natural born killers...i haven't seen that in a while, but i love it! maybe i'll rent it tonight...

It sure would be nice, huh?

dude, I fucked up. didn't mean to leave two comments......oh well. I'll be seeing you in a matter ov minutes.


[Edited on Aug 23, 2003]