giddyiguana

I love debates like this. Who said I don't belong in politics?

Butterfly girl says:
HA HA....Britney hurt her knee again

What's underwear? says:
Well, when you suck that much dick, knee problems are inevitable

Butterfly girl says:
can't stand her.....she nows admits to having sex with Justin Timberlake......like we didn't all know that

What's underwear? says:


Butterfly girl says:
God knows we know Christina isn't

What's underwear? says:
Yeah, but she never tried to pull of the sweet and innocent bullshit

Butterfly girl says:
she did when she first came out

What's underwear? says:
THAT didn't last long...

Butterfly girl says:
we all know she's upfront

What's underwear? says:
zackly

Butterfly girl says:
which does come off really slutty sometimes

What's underwear? says:
You say that like it's a bad thing

Butterfly girl says:
it is...God, I wouldn't walk out in public in things she wears

What's underwear? says:
Flaunt it if you've got it, I say.

Butterfly girl says:
no...I say they need to watch who their audiences are

What's underwear? says:
why do you think I wear shorts and oversized t-shirts all the time? Emphasizing what I've got. Showing off my legs and hiding my gut.

Butterfly girl says:
Even if I had the body she does....I wouldn't show it like she does

Butterfly girl says:
she goes overboard sometimes

What's underwear? says:
She's manipulating her own publicity. In her position, I'd be doing the same thing.

Butterfly girl says:
let the guys imagine...that's the problem with this world....no imagination

Butterfly girl says:
if she were to get raped...the first thing she'd say is that she didn't ask for it

Butterfly girl says:
and she does...if you dress like that, you can't expect for guys to ignore that

What's underwear? says:
Look, if she dressed the way you want her to do, would her pictures be all over the Internet, tabloids, 'entertainment news' shows, etc. She's doing what she's got to do to keep herself in the limelight, and I for one don't blame her

Butterfly girl says:
and it's dumb...you should be yourself

Butterfly girl says:
she has a good voice

What's underwear? says:
Who's to say she isn't?

What's underwear? says:
Look, you don't know her any better than I do.

Butterfly girl says:
and I'm saying she goes too far

What's underwear? says:
She's good at what she does.

Butterfly girl says:
what being on borderline of looking like a hooker?

What's underwear? says:
Look, as far as I know, no one's MAKING her do that. She's hot and she knows it, so she flaunts it to keep herself in the media. Which is what it's all about: no publicity is BAD publicity in the entertainment industry.

Butterfly girl says:
like I said....if it is her picking out the outfits.....she goes too far

Butterfly girl says:
why do you think all these 14 and 15 year olds are having sex now

What's underwear? says:
Look, Charlotte Church has a great voice too, but when's the last time you heard anything from her???

Butterfly girl says:
she's in England

What's underwear? says:
Point being?

Butterfly girl says:
not many people like the type of music she sings

What's underwear? says:
Oh, but people are clamoring for more crappy teen pop/white girl wannabe hip-hop? Please.

Butterfly girl says:
oh come on...you know that's the main reason they watch Christina

What's underwear? says:
Because of the MUSIC? Please.

Butterfly girl says:
because she dresses like a slut

What's underwear? says:
Yeah, and people love Britney's brand of crap too

Butterfly girl says:
because she dresses like a slut

What's underwear? says:
Like I said: it's about sales.

Butterfly girl says:
if you ask men....it isn't worth it

Butterfly girl says:
me

What's underwear? says:
She would've long since gone the way of Cyndi Lauper, Willa Ford, or any of the dozens of teen-pop acts who came before her. She's making MONEY by doing it.

Butterfly girl says:
I wouldn't let my kids at 14 watch her...they have no business watching and wanting to dress like her

What's underwear? says:
So says the woman waiting on porn DVDs

Butterfly girl says:
I'm 22...almost 23

Butterfly girl says:
and I don't go around public telling people about it or dressing like she does

Butterfly girl says:
there is a differnce

Butterfly girl says:
I wear that stuff in the bedroom ( where it belongs )...not out on the street..

What's underwear? says:
So, you'll patronize the same industry that's producing that which you profess to hate.

Butterfly girl says:
you aren't getting the point

What's underwear? says:
You wanna clamor about the moral decay of society, but you won't change your own buying or viewing behaviour. Oh, I get it all right.

Butterfly girl says:
I don't hate the outfits....I hate that she's wearing it to show off in front of 14 and 15 year olds

Butterfly girl says:
leave it in the bedroom.......

What's underwear? says:
And you KNOW who her intended audience is, do you?

Butterfly girl says:
have you looked at the way these young girls dress today?

What's underwear? says:
And it's their parents who LET them do it. What's your point?

Butterfly girl says:
girls getting assaulted in malls here because they copy fashion statements from people like Britney and Christina

Butterfly girl says:
no..the kids sneak out of the house, go to the bathroom and put these outfits on...I've seen them do it

What's underwear? says:
So, then, what do YOU propose to do about it?

Butterfly girl says:
Like I can do anything. My kids won't be listening to them

What's underwear? says:
In a free-market society, behaviour is driven by demand. She's only giving the public what it wants.

What's underwear? says:
If people quit tuning in, quit buying her records...she'd go away like all other bad fads.

Butterfly girl says:
it's disturbing what these people get away with now

Butterfly girl says:
most of it is directed towards guys

What's underwear? says:
Of course! People (especially males), aged 18-34, are the demographic most coveted by advertisers

Butterfly girl says:
and they wonder why the society is so bad

What's underwear? says:
As with everything else: follow the money

Butterfly girl says:
they are shocked because 14 and 15 years olds are pregnant

Butterfly girl says:
why??

What's underwear? says:
So, it's all Christina's fault? Please.

What's underwear? says:
It's been going on since she was still in the Mickey Mouse club

Butterfly girl says:
it is partly her fault for wearing that stuff knowing young kids are watching her

Butterfly girl says:
she wasn't wearing all that in the Mickey Mouse Club

What's underwear? says:
Not the parents for not paying attention to what their kids are up to, then.

What's underwear? says:
Blame the media...am I reading you right?

Butterfly girl says:
no..that is part of the problem too

Butterfly girl says:
they each have a part of blame here

What's underwear? says:
Parents are so busy persuing careers (read: chasing the almighty dollar) and caught up with their own 'stuff' that they're not keeping tabs on their own kids. That's the problem, pure and simple.

Butterfly girl says:
no...not completely

Butterfly girl says:
they both have their share of the blame

Butterfly girl says:
kids are going to sneak around...I know, I remember being one

What's underwear? says:
Look, society sucked when WE were coming up too...but we're still fairly well-adjusted. Why?

Butterfly girl says:
My parents controlled everything I did...until I went to another person's house

What's underwear? says:
Exactly!

Butterfly girl says:
parents are different...these days, it takes two people to work to make it in this world

What's underwear? says:
No kidding.

Butterfly girl says:
that's not the parents fault.....

Butterfly girl says:
if they have to work to put food on the table and clothes for their kids to wear

What's underwear? says:
Again I ask: what will YOU do about it?

Butterfly girl says:
I"m going to watch very carefully what my kids watch and listen to

What's underwear? says:
You want them so badly, yet you're terrified that they might see Christina Aguilera when you're not looking...I don't know how you're going to do it.

Butterfly girl says:
my kids will be taught differently....If I don't like what the other parent teaches....my kids will not hang out with theirs

Butterfly girl says:
when they hit 17 or 18.....fine...they are adults

What's underwear? says:
Well, best of luck

Butterfly girl says:
but my kid is not coming home pregnant at an early age

Butterfly girl says:
she's not wearing stuff that I don't agree with for her or his age

What's underwear? says:
But you said yourself that kids sneak out, change clothes when the parents aren't around, etc.

What's underwear? says:
What if it doesn't work? What if your kid DOES come home pregnant? What then?

Butterfly girl says:
my kid is not wandering around the mall by herself at 14

Butterfly girl says:
I didn't

What's underwear? says:
And you realize how resented you're going to be, right?

Butterfly girl says:
my parents were in the mall with me

Butterfly girl says:
yes...if it protets them...so be it

Butterfly girl says:
protects

Butterfly girl says:
and why will I be resented ? All comes back to how society lets things happen

What's underwear? says:
So, whether than let them experience the world and being there to help them sort it all out correctly, your solution is to shelter them at all costs.

Butterfly girl says:
look.....you don't realize how many of my classmates were pregnant at 14 and 15

What's underwear? says:
We keep dancing around the issue: if it's so bad, what are you going to do about it?

What's underwear? says:
So were mine. What of it?

Butterfly girl says:
and it's getting worse....Sharon Osbourne had a 10 year old thinking he was ready for sex

What's underwear? says:
Say you were God. That anything you said would happen. How would you change things?

Butterfly girl says:
People wouldn't be dressing like Christina on stage for one thing

What's underwear? says:
So, you'd abolish freedom of expression. Got you.

Butterfly girl says:
Parents would be watching and making sure their kids are SAFE

What's underwear? says:
And, you said both parents need to work. How's that going to happen?

Butterfly girl says:
you only like it because she looks like a slut and it gets you horny.....just like any other male

What's underwear? says:
As does every other male in my demographic. And like I said, it sells records. It sells magazines. Advertisers love it, and there's nothing you can do (short of abolishing the Bill of Rights) to change it.

Butterfly girl says:
with the way society is....yes both parents do have to work

Butterfly girl says:
I don't buy those magazines

Butterfly girl says:
I don't even watch MTV anymore because of the things that literally make me sick

What's underwear? says:
No, but you do buy porn, which is the logical end to that sort of behaviour.

Butterfly girl says:
I hardly watch tv anymore

Butterfly girl says:
in the bedroom

What's underwear? says:
So, it's okay for YOU to watch porn, but it's not okay that I find Christina Aguilera sexy.

Butterfly girl says:
there is a difference between in the bedroom and on the street

Butterfly girl says:
that is what porn is for

Butterfly girl says:
BEDROOM

What's underwear? says:
So you still say the media needs to be controlled, then.

Butterfly girl says:
yes...

What's underwear? says:
You think the First Amendment is a bad idea.

What's underwear? says:
I'm sorry, but 'free' press is driven by advertiser dollars, and sex sells.

Butterfly girl says:
sex selling is stupid

What's underwear? says:
Stupid, but effective.

Butterfly girl says:
Why do you think they have an age limit in porn stores?

What's underwear? says:
Yes, and how effective are they? When was the first time you saw a porn? (I was in seventh grade.) And how old were you the first time you drank? (Eighth grade, getting drunk and making out with the girl next door.)

Butterfly girl says:
First ime I saw porn was 16

What's underwear? says:
So, if we're going to get serious about protecting our children, they too should be abolished

Butterfly girl says:
First time I drank....17

What's underwear? says:
Exactly. Age restrictions aren't effective.

Butterfly girl says:
first time I saw porn....I was turned it off

Butterfly girl says:
I watched 5 mins...knew I wasn't supposed to be watching it and turned it off

What's underwear? says:
You're one of the odd ones, then

Butterfly girl says:
The first drink was in my own home, with my parents and it was New Years

Butterfly girl says:
I didn't even like it at first...I hate the smell of it...to this day I hate the smell of it

Butterfly girl says:
my parents told me if I was going to do that stuff....then I was going to do it at home

What's underwear? says:
But you still admit you did it.

Butterfly girl says:
at 17

Butterfly girl says:
and I was nowhere prepared for having it at that age

What's underwear? says:
So what's so magical about the age of 18, then?

Butterfly girl says:
you are considered an adult

What's underwear? says:
Says who? Why is something that's wrong at 17 and a half somehow okay at eighteen?

Butterfly girl says:
because people aren't reallt ready for it at 18

Butterfly girl says:
really

What's underwear? says:
So we should...what, raise the age limit?

Butterfly girl says:
they don't know the responsibilities, they don't care about the responsibilities

What's underwear? says:
And how do you make them ready for it?

Butterfly girl says:
you talk to them about it......

What's underwear? says:
Particularly if they've spend their whole lives sheltered...

What's underwear? says:
And if the parents can't do it...

Butterfly girl says:
any questions they ask...you answer FULLY

Butterfly girl says:
something is wrong then....at least one of the parents should

What's underwear? says:
But parents don't have time to do it...or so you claim.

Butterfly girl says:
they do have time to do it

Butterfly girl says:
both my parents worked and had time to
talk to me about all of it

Butterfly girl says:
parents are lazy these days

What's underwear? says:
The parents are so busy fulfilling their material needs they don't fully develop them emotionally or maturity-wise...

Butterfly girl says:
My parents did

What's underwear? says:
Yes, and you spend so much time complaining about them both...

Butterfly girl says:
I hated my parents for awhile because they wouldn't let me do things....but now...I thank them

Butterfly girl says:
I wasn't ready for any of the things I wanted to do at that age

Butterfly girl says:
we just want to do it because of peer pressure

Butterfly girl says:
as teenagers

Butterfly girl says:
some people.....still as adults

What's underwear? says:
But it's still the media's fault.

Butterfly girl says:
I said it was both

Butterfly girl says:
parents and the media

Butterfly girl says:
parents need to watch what their kids are watching....yes....

Butterfly girl says:
but there needs to be some rule about what is shown on tv

What's underwear? says:
What about your 'consenting adults' rule, then? If people WANT to watch smut, then smut will continue to be shown. Freedom of speech and all that.

Butterfly girl says:
Adults...yes

Butterfly girl says:
not kids

Butterfly girl says:
kids only do things according to what society thinks is cool at the time

What's underwear? says:
So, because some unattended kid MIGHT see something you find offensive...I shouldn't be able to see it either.

Butterfly girl says:
buyu the fucking dvd of the music videos

Butterfly girl says:
they sell those

Butterfly girl says:
but on tv...there should be things that shouldn't be shown

What's underwear? says:
Again...how are you going to determine what should and shouldn't be? There is no uniform standard...

Butterfly girl says:
there should be

What's underwear? says:
And who should determine them?

Butterfly girl says:
government

What's underwear? says:
Wow. You're going to trust the GOVERNMENT to determine who has freedom of speech??? Name me five things the government does WELL.

Butterfly girl says:
depends on who is running the country

Butterfly girl says:
certainly not Bush

What's underwear? says:
So, the debate should be controlled by whoever is in power.

Butterfly girl says:
not really...justsaying I hate Bush

What's underwear? says:
As do I. But, if you're putting government in control of expression...that's exactly who's going to be doing the censoring.

Butterfly girl says:
I'm saying someone needs to control it...and the government sucks...so

Butterfly girl says:
it only keeps getting worse

Butterfly girl says:
look at how different it is since the 80's and 90's

Butterfly girl says:
gets worse every year

What's underwear? says:
Is it really THAT different? Everything we see now is a logical progression from what happened then.

Butterfly girl says:
that's the problem...it keeps getting worse

Butterfly girl says:
the Britney Madonna thing....Janet Jackson thing

Butterfly girl says:
just going to keep getting worse

What's underwear? says:
And I'm saying, it's all driven by what the public WANTS. Whether they'll openly admit it or not. The numbers don't lie, and neither does public discussion. What is it that people are talking about? What is it that people are watching?

What's underwear? says:
How many people were even talking about Janet Jackson before this whole nonsense?

Butterfly girl says:
plenty

What's underwear? says:
She's doing a good job of manipulating her own publicity. She's SELLING THINGS again. Again: it's about MONEY.

Butterfly girl says:
I wouldn't buy anything from her after that

Butterfly girl says:
I quit buying Christina's stuff after she started acting the way she does

What's underwear? says:
Yes, and that's your right. And until more people REALIZE this, and stand up for what they PROFESS to believe in, things are going to keep going the same way they are now.

Butterfly girl says:
babe...most of the people listening to her are teenagers and guys

What's underwear? says:
And like I said: that's the demographic advertisers want!

Butterfly girl says:
or I should say...most of the guys aren't even listening to her...just buys her stuff because she looks like a slut

What's underwear? says:
All I'm saying is, the problem is deeper than what simple censorship (which is still a violation of Amendment I) could solve.

Butterfly girl says:
you don't see them showwing porn on tv....do you?

Butterfly girl says:
PPV...but that's being censored

Butterfly girl says:
problem is....the people running the censorship in this country are perverted

What's underwear? says:
So, what you're calling for...is regime change.

Butterfly girl says:
I'm calling for guys to stop thinking with their cocks all the time

What's underwear? says:
And how are you going to DO that?