Today on PC Gamer forum I felt like being a pretentious art bitch (which I enjoy being), so in response to the following post...
"MIP wrote:
I'm the same, somthing just needs to look nice, thats its function to me. No offence to anyone but I don't get 'meaning' in art. If I write a computer program, I write it, I don't draw a picture and hope the computer understands.
Pretencious art bullshit annoys the hell out of me, espeacially when I've got a real job, and some random four year old makes more money than me for no reason. That four year old got more money than me for an hour or two of fw00king about with oil paints, than I do in a year of IT support, or an NHS nurse would get looking after the sick at rediculous hours. I mean, whoever bought that painting could have got somthing that looked just as nice for 20 in an art shop, and given the rest of the money to charity, its fucked up what people get rewarded for doing."
My reply was:
Art is a language - a picture speaks a thousand words, or so it's said (I have actually contemplated looking into this for my dissertation next year).
Personally, I think I express myself very badly through words - written or through speech, however, I can express myself to a far greater level through the medium of photography.
I hate to say it, but largely, you have to learn about how art works in order to understand it - even just a small understanding of semiotics (if anyone wants to read up on it, have a look on Google for the name Daniel Chandler, who has written several books on it).
The way I see art is much like books, which are intricate in plot, use words you have to use the dictionary for (or which I do, anyway) - you have to learn how to take the book to pieces and analyse what is going on behind the words to get the very best of the book. Of course, your average 5 year old is not going to be able to understand this, but as we get older and are taught through education how to appreciate a book then we can read it and understand.
I understand not everyone is like this, but if art was purely aesthetic then we end up with more girls like this 4 year old - because someone thinks it looks pretty then it's art. Before we know it primary schools all over the country are painting pretty landscapes, selling them on to galleries where they're bought by SAGA coachtour customers who hang it on their wall next to their grandson Billy and forget about it.
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Pretencious art bullshit annoys the hell out of me, espeacially when I've got a real job
As for that - fuck off. People with this attitude need to get out of their own miserable, 9 to 5 job spitefulness. If someone is doing something they enjoy and making a living off of it then it's none of your beeswax.
Why would I want to own or create something completely pretty? So I could show how boring and shallow art would be if it were?
Marcel Duchamp made a massive leap in the artworld when aesthetic art was the be all and end all - he took the piss by exhibiting a urinal and calling it a fountain. The critics loved it because of it's pretty structure and build. He made his point, because he basically said that anything aesthetic could get exhibited, even a toilet, even when it was completely void of any meaning.
Anyway, I like Matthew Collins' take on art: It's MEANT to be pretentious.
I hate people who don't understand art. Design serves a purpose, but not trying to be art.
"MIP wrote:
I'm the same, somthing just needs to look nice, thats its function to me. No offence to anyone but I don't get 'meaning' in art. If I write a computer program, I write it, I don't draw a picture and hope the computer understands.
Pretencious art bullshit annoys the hell out of me, espeacially when I've got a real job, and some random four year old makes more money than me for no reason. That four year old got more money than me for an hour or two of fw00king about with oil paints, than I do in a year of IT support, or an NHS nurse would get looking after the sick at rediculous hours. I mean, whoever bought that painting could have got somthing that looked just as nice for 20 in an art shop, and given the rest of the money to charity, its fucked up what people get rewarded for doing."
My reply was:
Art is a language - a picture speaks a thousand words, or so it's said (I have actually contemplated looking into this for my dissertation next year).
Personally, I think I express myself very badly through words - written or through speech, however, I can express myself to a far greater level through the medium of photography.
I hate to say it, but largely, you have to learn about how art works in order to understand it - even just a small understanding of semiotics (if anyone wants to read up on it, have a look on Google for the name Daniel Chandler, who has written several books on it).
The way I see art is much like books, which are intricate in plot, use words you have to use the dictionary for (or which I do, anyway) - you have to learn how to take the book to pieces and analyse what is going on behind the words to get the very best of the book. Of course, your average 5 year old is not going to be able to understand this, but as we get older and are taught through education how to appreciate a book then we can read it and understand.
I understand not everyone is like this, but if art was purely aesthetic then we end up with more girls like this 4 year old - because someone thinks it looks pretty then it's art. Before we know it primary schools all over the country are painting pretty landscapes, selling them on to galleries where they're bought by SAGA coachtour customers who hang it on their wall next to their grandson Billy and forget about it.
Quote:
Pretencious art bullshit annoys the hell out of me, espeacially when I've got a real job
As for that - fuck off. People with this attitude need to get out of their own miserable, 9 to 5 job spitefulness. If someone is doing something they enjoy and making a living off of it then it's none of your beeswax.
Why would I want to own or create something completely pretty? So I could show how boring and shallow art would be if it were?
Marcel Duchamp made a massive leap in the artworld when aesthetic art was the be all and end all - he took the piss by exhibiting a urinal and calling it a fountain. The critics loved it because of it's pretty structure and build. He made his point, because he basically said that anything aesthetic could get exhibited, even a toilet, even when it was completely void of any meaning.
Anyway, I like Matthew Collins' take on art: It's MEANT to be pretentious.
I hate people who don't understand art. Design serves a purpose, but not trying to be art.
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