I didn't handle the fake tits discussion well. I tried to make some valid points which were completely misunderstood. I was not skillful.
I believe that like all people I can have sexual preferences and one of them can be to like women without implants. If someone wants to get implants, that's fine. I would never dream of stopping her. That's what was so odd about the thread. People seemed to think I was trying to rule her body, her mind.
I made a big mistake by agreeing without thinking of it, with the guy who said he hates fake tits. I don't hate them and I certainly don't hate the people who have them.
I think the people defending implants as a sort of feminist empowerment are skewed in their logic to say the least, but I can't have any influence on them.
I do think the strength of the site is that it allows all kinds of women to be on it without "perfect" bodies, bodies that would be refused by places like Playboy or Maxim. To me, that's pro-woman. To many apparently, it is the essence of hate. I don't understand this logic and I doubt I ever will because it doesn't make any sense.
I think it is fair to be critical of the society's wish to have women look perfect the same way I am critical of the way society is pushing men to look perfect, i.e., take steroids. Again I see this as pro-woman, pro-human. When I made these comments, I was accused of being against individuality when in fact, to not get implants is to be more in the direction of an individual - your unique self. To me, this is obvious. I don't care if a woman wants to get implants however. It is certainly her choice and it doesn't make me angry or hateful if she does.
It seems the pro-implant argument is like being pro-choice: someone is screaming at me - it's my body, don't tell me what to do! I'm not telling you what to do. I just have an opinion that in terms of sexual attractivess, I prefer people to look different and to be natural. I think in the end people getting implants are not any happier and I believe they are doing it to look like a cookie-cutter person. However, if you want to do it, I would never in a million years think of stopping you and I would never make implants illegal. It's bizarre that someone would even think that.
I do know of women who feel bad about themselves because they are small chested and I know some of them have considered getting implants. Again, I would never stop them from gettting them but I think they are missing how beautiful they are without the big chest. They won't get stared at when they enter the room but they still can have a lot of charm.
I guess what rubs me the wrong way the most is that I am penalized, hated even, for having such an opinion.
There is some kind of appreciation for punk rock and its culture here. I was there at the beginning of punk and it hadn't formed into a monoculture to the degree that iit is now. It was much less popular and much less doctrinaire. It is not a complete monoculture now of course. Maximum rocknroll and its adherents fostered ths monoculture. To me, being "punk" is having different opinions and being yourself.
Also, ironically 15 years ago, feminists would have agreed with me 100%. It's funny how things change and now I am beelzebub.
I believe that like all people I can have sexual preferences and one of them can be to like women without implants. If someone wants to get implants, that's fine. I would never dream of stopping her. That's what was so odd about the thread. People seemed to think I was trying to rule her body, her mind.
I made a big mistake by agreeing without thinking of it, with the guy who said he hates fake tits. I don't hate them and I certainly don't hate the people who have them.
I think the people defending implants as a sort of feminist empowerment are skewed in their logic to say the least, but I can't have any influence on them.
I do think the strength of the site is that it allows all kinds of women to be on it without "perfect" bodies, bodies that would be refused by places like Playboy or Maxim. To me, that's pro-woman. To many apparently, it is the essence of hate. I don't understand this logic and I doubt I ever will because it doesn't make any sense.
I think it is fair to be critical of the society's wish to have women look perfect the same way I am critical of the way society is pushing men to look perfect, i.e., take steroids. Again I see this as pro-woman, pro-human. When I made these comments, I was accused of being against individuality when in fact, to not get implants is to be more in the direction of an individual - your unique self. To me, this is obvious. I don't care if a woman wants to get implants however. It is certainly her choice and it doesn't make me angry or hateful if she does.
It seems the pro-implant argument is like being pro-choice: someone is screaming at me - it's my body, don't tell me what to do! I'm not telling you what to do. I just have an opinion that in terms of sexual attractivess, I prefer people to look different and to be natural. I think in the end people getting implants are not any happier and I believe they are doing it to look like a cookie-cutter person. However, if you want to do it, I would never in a million years think of stopping you and I would never make implants illegal. It's bizarre that someone would even think that.
I do know of women who feel bad about themselves because they are small chested and I know some of them have considered getting implants. Again, I would never stop them from gettting them but I think they are missing how beautiful they are without the big chest. They won't get stared at when they enter the room but they still can have a lot of charm.
I guess what rubs me the wrong way the most is that I am penalized, hated even, for having such an opinion.
There is some kind of appreciation for punk rock and its culture here. I was there at the beginning of punk and it hadn't formed into a monoculture to the degree that iit is now. It was much less popular and much less doctrinaire. It is not a complete monoculture now of course. Maximum rocknroll and its adherents fostered ths monoculture. To me, being "punk" is having different opinions and being yourself.
Also, ironically 15 years ago, feminists would have agreed with me 100%. It's funny how things change and now I am beelzebub.