mutal8isdead said:
words can't describe how i love dave the spazz's playlists. he never took me the down the wrong path.
the organ is another great band from canada. they remind me of the smiths. nice pop music.
The Organ is awesome. I saw them live on Canada day, and they rocked my world.
I know a certain SG who just loves them.
stockula said:
reprobate said:
stockula said:
reprobate said:
stockula said:
John Kerry fabricates his military decorations, and the Bush campaign is the villain for pointing it out. Classic.
You realize that with this particular lie, you not only denigrate the candidate who is a decorated veteran, but also the dozens of other decorated combat veterans who were actually there and have uniformly testified on Kerry's behalf right?
"Now, 35 years after the fact, some Republican-financed Swift Boat Veterans for Bush are suddenly lying about John Kerry's service in Vietnam; they are calling him a traitor because he spoke out against the Nixon administration's failed policies in Vietnam. Some of these Republican-sponsored veterans are the same ones who spoke out against John at the behest of the Nixon administration in 1971. But this time their attacks are more vicious, their lies cut deep and are directed not just at John Kerry, but at me and each of his crewmates as well. This hate-filled ad asserts that I was not under fire; it questions my words and Navy records. This smear campaign has been launched by people without decency, people who don't understand the bond of those who serve in combat."
Jim Rassman thinks your a liar, too, Stock.
[Edited on Sep 05, 2004 by reprobate]
Before you read this, here's the long story short.
Long story shorter: Schachte's name appears nowhere in the official record and the other two crewmen who were actually there have attested to the fact that not only wasn't here there, they didn't have a grenade launcher. They are also both on the record before Schachte appeared out of the ether. Their account was also edited to remove all references to enemy fire on the SBV website and then removed entirely so as not to contradict Schacte's claim.
Bill Zaladonis and Pat Runyon think you're a liar, too Stock.
Then you'll have no problem showing me where you learned that.
BTW, Schratce's account said that there was just one other man, an EM, on the boat during this action.
[Edited on Sep 06, 2004 by stockula]
From the dozens of major fucking media articles on the subject that ran at the time. Try googling their names, commander.
CNN Capital gang:
"HUNT: Well, Mark, let's leave John Kerry and let's leave Schachte aside for a minute. I talked to those two enlisted men today. I talked to Pat Runyon and Bill Zaladonis. They both were on that boat December 2, 1968. They say there is no way that the admiral could have been on that boat. And they describe in vivid detail that night. They say it was a small, 14-foot boat with an outboard motor, that, in fact, with their weapons and other material, that four people would have been a really, really tight fit. They took orders from John Kerry. They remember -- Zaladonis remembers Kerry saying, Shoot over here, rather than over here, when they were in a firefight. And Runyon remembers him telling him to, Start the boat. Let's get the hell out of here. Zaladonis remembers when Kerry was hit, and they just say it's absolutely impossible to -- you wouldn't have had two officers on a little boat like that on that kind of a mission.
Moreover, Schachte has changed his story. A year ago, he talked to Michael Kranish of "The Boston Globe," and he said that there was a firefight. He didn't say he was in the boat. He said Kerry was hit -- quote, "hit" -- though it wasn't very serious. Now he says there wasn't a firefight and it was a self-inflicted wound. Moreover, he went and he said that he -- when he saw Kerry 20 years later in Washington, he was with a top aide with -- of Fritz (UNINTELLIGIBLE) Ashley Thripp (ph). Ashley Thripp I talked to today and said, No way. I wasn't there."
MSNBC:
"Myers: So there was not a second officer with you on the mission?
Zaladonis: No. Not at all.
Myers: Do you recall a person by the name of Bill Schachte?
Zaladonis: I've only heard his name recently because I've heard that he claimed he was on the skimmer with us.
Myers: Mr. Schachte claims he was on the skimmer with John Kerry that night.
Zaladonis: Right. Well, he claims that but he's wrong. The night that I'm talking about it was just myself, John Kerry and Pat Runyon. And I don't know how else I can say that. That's all there was on the boat. He may have been on the swift boat.
Myers: It was 35 years ago; how certain are you that Bill Schachte was not there that night?
Zaladonis: I'm absolutely positive. Absolutely positive. "
Boston Globe:
"I spoke to Admiral Schachte," O'Neill said. "He places himself on the skimmer." O'Neill also hinted that Schachte will soon address the issue himself. So what do William Zaladonis and Patrick Runyon, the two men who were on the skimmer with Kerry at the time, say?
"Myself, Pat Runyon, and John Kerry," says Zaladonis, the engineman on Kerry's first swift boat, "we were the only ones in the skimmer."
"There definitely was not a fourth," says Runyon
'cause it looks like somebody ate your lunch again.