Over the last week or so I've heard people in party chat both Xbox and PSN talking about 'Zoey burger'. Since a quick search didn't turn up anything for 'Zoey burger' and I didn't really care at the time.. I ignored it. Also because the following blog is very long and pointless. I just somehow didn't notice all this stuff going on behind the scenes of Twitch and Youtube.
On Saturday Google Now piped through an article about some recent nipslip by a woman they referred to as Zoie's friend Abigale. Abigale Mandler. From there finding Celestia something or other. Celestia Vega. This trio seems to be the ass end of women in gaming because of all the nudes they are posting online.
I'm given to understand they are or were Twitch streamers.
lol were..
So I'm going to pick these two recent-ish videos as what I found to be the most educational videos on YouTube about these three women (in particular but there are others (videos. Not just other nudie and titty streamers)). Do they go too damned far? Are they out of control? Is Amazon's Twitch wrong for banning them instead of turning a blind eye and sharing in their profit? Are they the creations of the audience that powers Twitch and YouTube livestreaming. But they aren't just game streamers anymore.. they are hardcore lifestreamers that are tending towards nudes for profit. Who's making the profit though? the presenters or the big companies that have livestreaming apps?
Even Twitter's Periscope, or Pedoscope as I call it and Instagram because they are vehicles for fame and fortune. Obviously Snapchat users with Premium Snap accounts thanks to PayPal and giftrocket etc, it feels like only 1-10 percent of viewers are logged in and actively comment or participate in chat but there's money in it. Premium Snapchat can be wtv the account holder wants. Just nudes, full porn.. Until Snap pulls a Vine and risks killing itself.. or they decide that's what they want to do.. people will post crazy shit there, because there's money in it. Probably as few donate though, in that 1-10 percent of viewers, and contribute to the stream by promoting it. 10K-100K people actively promoting the stream, actively commenting and giving money? Crazy. How do you keep that many people interested? What's crazy are the chats.. I can't usually keep up and still pay attention to the streamer and it cause such a big issue once that I gave up for a while.
Because on some level people keep saying chick streamers are just good for producing nudes. They suck at games and at streaming. So obviously this the best they get right? Why is Zoie special? I mean after all of this in depth research :p what did I learn?
That mostly she's reacting to the 'They are not good at games', are 'irrelevant as far as having opinions worth listening to', 'their voices are annoying', due to wtv 'body image issues' they are 'tedious to deal' with etc and whatever else they can come up with as reasons to disparage these woman, I'm sick of it all. By all means don't share and fuck off. <- me as a mod every day. I can't imagine how woman streamers deal with it. But these three have it much worse because they seem to have gone off the deep end into nudes and porn for views. When did entertaining people on Twitch become a vehicle for successful streamers to jump to porn?
They are the first and as far as I know they haven't 'jumped to porn' but.. there isn't enough road left to land a plane on.
And you can't just dismiss the haters. They are word of mouth and if 1 loud mouthed hater pulls in 10 people of whom a few become avid subscribers.. then OK! fuck the haters if you have the balls to do it in the first place. If you're able to see and appreciate the people who enjoy the stream and what you're doing to entertain them.. great! that's what you turn the camera on for. Even if you choose to jiggle your mighty jubblies, the haters love that too, and you know they are going to talk about it.
Video #1
I'm going to say that being able to help streamers, no matter the platform, and buy things like a Blue Yeti mic for a streamer is a great thing which I understand completely because I did that.. and like getting any equipment really that helps to further the cause means that streamer can get an extra leg up doing what they want.. But I feel like I got bitten in the ass when I bought the mic because when she received it she cut me off and spent a week shit talking me. That was right after getting shit talked by the first person that asked me to be a mod for her channel. Twice in a row. It soured me on wanting to help Twitch Streamers. It seemed like they are only out for number one. And that's fine. They show very little appreciation for their actual fans. But that isn't it either since most of them have a hardcore set of friends that they keep while people like me get used up and discarded or we just leave. So 2 more channels later and I feel like I keep getting burned when I'm here wasting my time and money.
Why?
Because no matter who you are, or what you might actually think.. people only Expect THIS to happen, I mean beyond nipslips which happen too often:
Video #2
Because on the one hand.. she's this (and the above real person in the Haters video):
But I only found that out later. Apparently most of the stream viewers don't care (that she's a real person) even when they know that these performers are actually real people. With private lives that aren't any of their damned business. It's very hard for me to not stay all business though. I'm unfortunately care and make things personal. Feels like the majority of them are after sugar daddies.. and that's fine too.. but doesn't that make those sugar daddies the worst part of this equation? Somehow the guys that are being taken advantage of that are stupid enough to think paying money means they'll get their dicks wet? The most stupid are the bleeding heart idiots that get pegged as sugar daddies that only want to help and these streamers are more than happy to oblige them. Some literally either by sending nudes, porn, or meeting up for sex. That's getting personal. I thank god that usually I don't have the means for meet ups and generally don't care for getting nudes from random people. It doesn't cross my mind to ask for nudes from people that, aren't offering them in the first place, and otherwise that I already care enough about to BE in a position where I could make that kind of solicitation.
What everyone sees first and foremost is that yes, she's selling her body so she must be a whore:
Personally these bikini streams remind me of Erica Campbell, Bree Olsen, Madison Ivy and Velicity Von (and a few others). She hits the scene, makes some great content then... some get ok, great, or fantastic boob jobs, but then what...? What was the plan?!
Many people know that you can get into porn if your acting or modeling career doesn't work out. It also works the other way around but it is much harder because again, some people say, the adult industry is harder than film. HIV and other STI scares, scary boyfriends and stalkers.. impossible to maintain a public reputation...
I call bullshit and say it is hard for women entertainers to get rich and famous no matter what and very hard if not near impossible to stay famous for long. Bree.. kind of fizzled for a while then crashed, then went to periscope then said she wanted back into porn. As far as I can tell she isn't the worse for the experience. She's an author. I'd read her books probably. I mean if I cared.
Velicity crashed and burned in the porn industry. A year and going strong and getting stronger... Doesn't Zoie Burgher and other titty streamers prove that with some self control and restraint, and most importantly a PLAN, that you can self produce and very successfully market a brand for yourself, selling yourself? She claims she's not doing porn and that's her choice. Nudes IS a good plan, if that's what you want to do. Unfortunately many people can't see any difference between the titty streaming and constantly nipslips and actual pornography. OR appreciate how much she actually puts into her shows and making her plan work.
I mention Erica Rose Campbell because she told her story and I following it some almost the very beginning. She'd been discovered at an adult video convention and appeared on an amateur website posing nude. That was the plan. I suppose the money made sense to her and her mom. Her mom was her business manager. She didn't do porn because that was her choice. She did nude modeling for a few years and retired. Done. Didn't as far as I know ruin her life. And apparently Zoie's mom is also involved in her business (a small part of me doubts it but wtv).
Can you ask yourself if Jessica Nigri decided to release nudes on PornHub how fast the internet would break? Why mention her? The same 1.1 million subs, the same titty and twerk streams? No but only to suggest that nude or no nudes.. porn or no porn, driven women can succeed. And that no offense to Her Majesty Nigri she's 1000% the most annoying streamer on the internet. I literally can't stand 3 seconds of her fakeness without wanting to puke. I'm not going to put her down if that's what works for her.
Which makes it really hard to consider that no matter how hard Zoie's working, no matter how much support she has, and how hard she's willing to push her reputation brand and image (I didn't even notice that that's a boob job which she's very proud of) to achieve her goals.. ultimately she'll get judged and the haters will come out to play. But in the background people are paying big money for them to be this way. Would she be as popular without the fake tits? Again.. what's the difference between working hard as a full time streamer, even a titty streamer, or being a nude model OR getting into porn. The moment there's nudity it seems like all bets are off and she no longer deserves to be treated like a professional. She herself asks if you could pay attention to her when she's jiggling her tits. I'm like of course.. there was this one site once called NakedNews. You could tune in once and giggle because ass and titties. But if you tuned in daily you'd realize that for the most part someone nude telling real news.. IS telling the news.
From my perspective that made it very difficult to understand the self image and nudity issues surrounding Twitch and YouTube. Of course I'd love to watch people (not just women) play games clothed or nude. I'm not tuning in for their bodies. Frankly I'm more likely to go audio only and just listen, which is what I do when I listen to Cooterz on Twitch. She's also my spirit animal recently because of how calm she is even though she has to deal with so much hate, or just simple ignorance and constant trollery. It breaks my heart that she deals with so much as partnered streamer.. the epitome of professionalism and dedication but she can't catch a break.
I must be odd because when Zoie asks which do I prefer? the superman shirt of the cleavage number? I literally don't care. I'm listening to the damn video. Fuck she's hot and god damn her surgeon is a blessed artist but that isn't the point of watching the videos. I had to find out who she is. She's got something to say. Otherwise she'd have a game to play or some other interesting reason to be in front of the camera. It isn't just her milkshake bringing people to the yard. Even though its the best around.
What's the point of subscribing then? What are people tuning in for? just her titties? or just full nudes? or seeing if Brazzers will sign her to produce her own content? 1 million fans can't find her tits if they wanted?
Should Brazzers have partnerships like Twitch does? Does having a one million strong army behind you not speak volumes about your skill at entertaining people? Where can this nipslipping, titty jiggling, delicious ass shaking original content belong?
#Nudesat1mil
Fucking PornHub. Only 5K or that? Can't find the full video though.. not that it matters. The point is clear. Even pornhub isn't taking her seriously. Her video would be a footnote.
I'm glad she Zuckerberg'd those assholes anyway. But also I'm not surprised that YouTube wasn't welcoming. Because a $5000 valuation for her no-porn business doesn't seem at all fair. To be fair she said she just wants to release nudes. Calling it the fappening and attempting to properly monetize it. Having put money into self-producing her content to begin with, then the $6K boob job.. she's invested everything into this business of her own nudes. How does that not beg respect?
I don't know anymore what causes it. If the strongest and most passionate ones like Zoie can entertain for hours but this debauchery is the only way they can manage? For the amount of money she's made in the last year going from mild mannered college student trying to figure her way out in the world to a very successful woman.. I mean shit how aren't you supposed to judge her?
She's practically making porn. But she isn't. the other two are. And there are several more that do. A while back I wondered why then if porn+games+livestreaming doesn't have its own Twitch. You can't separate minors from the equation, and most likely the majority of their money is coming from adults. I figured MFC then. Some models do play their games while entertaining people on MFC and I guess they make a living from it.. but these vanilla streaming services, Twitch and YouTube aren't supposed to be host to this type of debauchery. The strategic nipslips aren't acceptable.
Maybe PornHub should say look.. fine.. we'll host them?It doesn't seem like they are too far from it if they wanted to. Seems like sexy streamers would be a footnote to the original content they have planned but.. they need talent.
Having caught such an accidental slips while modding on one channel I KNOW it was an accident and accidents can happen when dealing with webcams and streaming when you're tired. But the other incident.. when I made a comment about an ample streamer making comments about the ample ass of an in game character.. and that blowing up in my face.. From that experience I was done. Though I kept on trying to be a moderator for the channel it felt like there was a rift torn and it had been taken personally.
Like I was ostracized from a friendship with a streamer.. that somehow I'd broken the trust required to support this type of thing.
NO she wasn't in any way inappropriate to the point there was nip slippage.. its just her reaction made it seem that I was waiting for one and that that was the only reason I was on her channel. It felt like she was much more aware of other streamers that do titty streams for that reason only. Ignoring that, hey, no matter HOW they are running their streams, they are working hard to entertain. I might feel bad about my comment and the over reaction but that doesn't mean I was objectifying her.
Wtv I said several months ago.
When I popped in a few months later she said she missed me. And again I felt bad. I'm the one that was stuck with the feeling I'd objectified her and that the trust was gone. Besides everything else that people label streamer drama.. I can't get over it.
I went back again on Saturday and YET AGAIN she's fixing herself, which is her god damned natural right to do.. and she had to say it, she felt they were getting away from her and it bothered her.
She's STILL uncomfortable with herself that she just can't help herself from concealing herself to avoid that constant objectification. It hadn't been 3 minutes. After months of forcing myself to not return to her stream. I'd rather not extrapolate that into how many times it must come up but I do know how often the viewers make a point of bringing it up. I take it personally.
No matter. Water under the bridge. And if the tide is too strong because of the furious activity of streamers like Zoie.. then what can you really do? How can you be taken seriously when the audience is not.
Meanwhile.. Zoie posted that she's in Canada now. About 5 hours away. And she said something like she wanted to set up a meet up for her fans. Very tempting. Very tempting indeed.