archangel_m:
By the way, let this entry not indicate how big a dork I really am. Beyond having the toys as a kid, and a few collectibles when I was part owner of a comic shop, I really haven't been more than a fan who's watched all the films and enjoyed them.

However, that being said as a reader, TV addict and moviegoer I am often appalled by plot loopholes and continuity issues. I also have a dislike for cheesy dialogue.

So consider that cleared up; I'm not THAT big a dork, just someone who gets royally annoyed by bad writing.
nerdboy2345:
officially santactioned comic or not, the extended universe stuff holds no water with lucas. he may allow the stuff to be written, but he has no problems contradicting it.

vader assumes the child is dead along with padme.

leia is probably recalling memories of her adopted mother. at that point in the conversation, luke has not revealed that they are brother and sister. im sure leia was raised to believe her adopted mother was her mother. padme was buried to look as if she died still pregnant.

if by chance, she was referring to her real mother, the excuse is that she felt her sadness through the force, and that left an impression on her. but i still think she was talking about her adopted mother

i thought the dialogue was much much better in this movie. except the love scenes. that was still awkward shit, but thats the only gripe i have

as far as franken-vader. how would you walk if you took your first steps with prostectic legs? the "nooo" wasnt great, but "arrrg" sure would have made him sound even more frankenstein-ish. how do we expect him to react? all his did was in vain. she still died, along with the child (he thinks) and he is a slave once again...to palpatine.

that yoda scene at the end was kinda weak, but minor

i give it an A, ranking it just behind empire.

but thats my opinion
vestril:
Although I fought the urge to do this to a random journal, I lost and my urges won.

In Return of the Jedi, Luke asks Leia about her real mother, not her adoptive mother, and Leia responds by saying that she remembers her as always being just a little sad. But, if Padme died in childbirth then why does Leia have very early childhood memories of her birth mother?



That a character says something, or that a person remembers something, does not make it true. Something many readers/movie-goers forget. Perhaps her adoptive mother died early in her life, and that is the memory. Perhaps she made it up, life isn't neat either and as far as plot holes go, this gets rounded to zero.

Granted, the film had to move along at a brisk pace in order to tie up all the story ends leading to episode IV, but if they'd managed to work it so that Padme had left Anakin before learning she was pregnant, thereby securing in everybody's minds the established history that says Vader didn't know his wife had had children until meeting up with his son decades later, that would have worked out fine for my sense of story continuity



Yeah, leaving it out of the movie was a mistake, but in the comic book version Yoda and Obi-Wan plot to make her look pregnant at death. An added note about her term: not all women show the same, and she did look fairly pregnant for such a small woman. That she was shown giving birth "naturally" doesn't mean it was the natural time, either. Still not really a hole, justa dubious area where your brain will either immediately pave over or, if you're nitpicky, go "AHA!!"

Final bitch-and-moan fest over Padme: Basically how her death ultimately plays out is she loses the will to live after her husband tries to kill her. What. The. FUCK. I mean, come ON! I am expected to believe that although she still loves her husband (her dying words professing that she still believes there is good in Anakin despite his crimes), and undoubtedly loves her children, she dies just because she's given up on life?



I didn't and don't really like this either, but it's possible that she was connected to Anakin through the Force, and that his final "death" at the hands of Darth Vader affected her. Still kind of cheesy and silly. It would be better if the stupid droid had just been unable to fix her after Anakin broke her neck.

So are we to believe that Yoda may well have caused the illness that took his own life, so he might join Obi-Wan as a spirit helping Luke in RotJ, but FAILED TO MAKE ANY APPEARANCE UNTIL THE END OF THE FILM?!? BARF-O-RAMA!!!



No...he was old and died, I dunno why "we are meant to believe" that. We are simply meant to believe that as he died, he made use of his time with Qui-Gon. Moreover, nothing we see leads us to believe that you can just start helping people in depth, immediatedly. Obi-Wan is reduced to one-liners at least until a few years after his death, maybe it takes time to work right. More interestingly he "can't help" Luke if he goes to fight Vader, we don't know the rules and the exposition involved in clearing them up would be silly.

They didn't make Jar Jar die like a bitch. 'Nuff said.



He had a huge crush on Padme and tried to hang himself after she died. Unfortunately, as clumsy as he is he totally failed at it and wound up accidentally killing Boss Nass instead. He was summarily executed by being torn to shreds by wild gundarks. Happy?

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archangel_m:
Nah, I think at some point Jar Jar joins the Rebellion in secret, gets captured, and is then executed. Just a theory; they never explain why he no longer appears after Episode III.

As for the rest, well, your explanation for Yoda makes sense upon reflection but Luke grills Leia about her REAL mother, not her adoptive mother, giving the impression that Leia knew she was adopted..
cypris:
thank you thankyou