baudot said:
Two texts that I feel desrve attention while you're at it:
True Names, by Vernor Vinge (1981)
- Had a vast computer network in which the interface was a hallucinatory trance.
- Authority is, again, the bad guy.
and
Schismatrix Plus, by Bruce Sterling
- Postulated a bioengineering vs. tool based evolutionary race, with full social analysis.
- Uncommonly epic sweep for a cyberpunk novel. (Hundreds of years of narrative.)
I am planning to add a quick review of "True Names." I am not sure why I omitted it in my "main" list. I personally find Bruce Sterling tiresome, but he unquestionably is one of the Big Names in the genre, and would (will) appear in the top few names of a list of authors. Maybe my distaste of Sterling results from the pain of attempting to slog through The Difference Engine. But, again, Sterling has huge numbers of fans, he's certainly a good writer, and can't be ignored or dismissed.
(Edit) P.S.: I am really looking forward to the bit on Personal Identity / "Uploading" ... but I'll have to Shut the Fuck Up before I start channeling Locke in earnest.
(Another Edit) P.P.S. By the way, thanks for reminding me about humanity evolving through organic vs. implant/tool-based "enhancement." This is treated very nicely in Alistair Reynolds' Revelation Space trilogy (plus Chasm City), and also in Peter F. Hamilton's monumentally overblown - but still interesting - Night's Dawn (Reality Dysfunction, etc.) trilogy.
[Edited on Dec 02, 2004]
CoreOfSelf said:
A book I'd add the the reading list is Hardwired by Walter Jon Williams.
Also, I have discussion questions and comments, but I'm not sure if you're done with your exposition and I don't want to interrupt......?
Oh, no PLEASE fire away.
The rest will be done soon. I'm not sure what "soon" means exactly, but "soon." (This is the same "soon" that I give my management when asked when my current programming project(s) will be done.)
Also, in re the reading and viewing list, I will have a considerably longer secondary list. NHS's contributions are welcome. A few comments would also be helpful, because there are many books (good and bad) that I haven't read - found dull, haven't got around to, or simply don't know about.
[Edited on Dec 02, 2004]
joe_n_bloe said:
The rest will be done soon.
there's more?
Sorry 'bout that.

MeNotYou said:
I have always considered several of Phillip K. Dicks books very important cyberpunk.
Interesting.
When I first think of Dick, I think hard sci-fi, even Scoc-fi. He takes a concept, pushes it to an extreme, and explores the consequences. This is one of the hallmarks of 'hard' sci-fi. When I think cyberpunk, I think of a more poetic milieu where style overlies & mediates substance. When I look at the work of Dick, I see an author who picks up or discards style as it suits the moment rather than developing a consistent style as part of his statement.
baudot said:
MeNotYou said:
I have always considered several of Phillip K. Dicks books very important cyberpunk.
Interesting.
When I first think of Dick, I think hard sci-fi, even Scoc-fi. He takes a concept, pushes it to an extreme, and explores the consequences. This is one of the hallmarks of 'hard' sci-fi. When I think cyberpunk, I think of a more poetic milieu where style overlies & mediates substance. When I look at the work of Dick, I see an author who picks up or discards style as it suits the moment rather than developing a consistent style as part of his statement.
I think you're right, although between the Replicants and the Mood Organ several of Joes criteria are filled.
ELEMENTS OF CYBERPUNK: An Outline for Exposition
I've tried to come up with a categorization of the elements that are found in Cyberpunk writing, and in its predecessors. The list seems to have become lengthy, but every time I look at it, I find more to add.
No cyberpunk story or novel contains all of these elements, but certain combinations produce cyberpunk.
How do you know when you have found cyberpunk? You must invoke the method of Potter Stewart: "I know [cyberpunk] when I see it."
Here are the topics I will cover - but not all today.
[Edited on Dec 01, 2004]